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CNN | The President's remarks

CNN | The President's remarks

(3:06) President Trump appears to be reading the same prepared text for every coronavirus briefing.

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Guest: GatherRound (26 days ago)

Thank you, folks- gather around!  This has been a demonstration of our new MonotopicBot, in this case set to "Trump repeats himself".  It may be set to any thing, with the broad headings of "Religion" and "Historical Affronts" most popular!  As the MonotopicBot seizes, steers and sinks the discussion, matters of actual import, where the victims might actually improve their situation, go unattended, leaving the participants distracted, dispirited, disheartened and, ultimately, disenfranchized.  Powered by the Crank5000 AI, the MonotopicBot will...

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Thank you, folks- gather around!  This has been a demonstration of our new MonotopicBot, in this case set to "Trump repeats himself".  It may be set to any thing, with the broad headings of "Religion" and "Historical Affronts" most popular!  As the MonotopicBot seizes, steers and sinks the discussion, matters of actual import, where the victims might actually improve their situation, go unattended, leaving the participants distracted, dispirited, disheartened and, ultimately, disenfranchized.  Powered by the Crank5000 AI, the MonotopicBot will...

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Guest: (38 days ago)

What's the news?  That politicians reuse speeches?  That they read prepared scripts?  I hate Trump as much as the next guy but don't see anything unusual here.  

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What's the news?  That politicians reuse speeches?  That they read prepared scripts?  I hate Trump as much as the next guy but don't see anything unusual here.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (36 days ago)

Trump is not giving speeches. He's giving daily coronavirus updates, but the stats remain the same day after day. He's not only the most stupid POTUS of all time, he's also the laziest.

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Trump is not giving speeches. He's giving daily coronavirus updates, but the stats remain the same day after day. He's not only the most stupid POTUS of all time, he's also the laziest.

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Guest: (36 days ago)

Look, we all like to hate on Trump and undeniably he is stupid and lazy.  But yes, he is giving speeches, and the talking points that he is repeating aren't needing to change ... eg.

More than 66 million tests - that number isn't going to get smaller.
Largest at risk population - see above
Delivered over X devices - see above.

I don't know why people would obsess over fairly typical politican behaviour when this man has far more pressing and obvious character defects.

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Look, we all like to hate on Trump and undeniably he is stupid and lazy.  But yes, he is giving speeches, and the talking points that he is repeating aren't needing to change ... eg.

More than 66 million tests - that number isn't going to get smaller.
Largest at risk population - see above
Delivered over X devices - see above.

I don't know why people would obsess over fairly typical politican behaviour when this man has far more pressing and obvious character defects.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (36 days ago)

"Fairly typical politician behaviour" - that's debatable, but even so, he's not a fairly typical politician. He's POTUS, Leader of the Free World. If aliens landed and said: "Take me to your leader", he's the guy we'd have to point to.

How low your standards must be to accept this behaviour from any politician, let alone POTUS.

How about we have a zero-tolerance appoach to all "typical politician behaviour" - that way we might get a better class of politician.

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"Fairly typical politician behaviour" - that's debatable, but even so, he's not a fairly typical politician. He's POTUS, Leader of the Free World. If aliens landed and said: "Take me to your leader", he's the guy we'd have to point to.

How low your standards must be to accept this behaviour from any politician, let alone POTUS.

How about we have a zero-tolerance appoach to all "typical politician behaviour" - that way we might get a better class of politician.

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Guest: (35 days ago)

You see this is what plays straight into Trump's hands.  People have got so frustrated with his incompetence that they haul him over the coals for irrelevant or widespread behaviour that isn't even dangerous.  That allows him to bolster his claim that fake news are out to get him, and people are treating him unfairly.  

I think politicians reading from speeches (or anyone public speaking reading from speeches), and repeating statistics that haven't changed, is definitely not the sort of thing we should be focussing on.  If you think we shouldn't accept this behaviour, then holy crap you must have a hard time in the world.  How do you deal with any public announcement?  The man is corrupt, incompetent, mentally ill, and quite likely criminal, and you whine because he repeats statistics?  

"Leader of the free world" made me laugh out loud.  Hadn't realised people still believe that, how cute.

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You see this is what plays straight into Trump's hands.  People have got so frustrated with his incompetence that they haul him over the coals for irrelevant or widespread behaviour that isn't even dangerous.  That allows him to bolster his claim that fake news are out to get him, and people are treating him unfairly.  

I think politicians reading from speeches (or anyone public speaking reading from speeches), and repeating statistics that haven't changed, is definitely not the sort of thing we should be focussing on.  If you think we shouldn't accept this behaviour, then holy crap you must have a hard time in the world.  How do you deal with any public announcement?  The man is corrupt, incompetent, mentally ill, and quite likely criminal, and you whine because he repeats statistics?  

"Leader of the free world" made me laugh out loud.  Hadn't realised people still believe that, how cute.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (35 days ago)

If a murderer punches you in the face for no reason, do you just think: 'don't worry about it, he's done much worse'?

These are not rally speeches, they are daily coronavirus briefings. He's treating them like rally speeches because he can't do rallies right now.

Rally speeches can be the same or similar each time because each rally is to a different audience in a different town - like a band going on tour. But in these daily coronavirus briefings, he's addressing the nation - the same people every day - and he's supposed to be instilling confidence that he's on the case. If he's not bothering to update the stats, he's probably not even looking at them. Surely that's something the American people should be made aware of.

A single CNN news article is not exactly "hauling him over the coals". I doubt any other broadcasters carried this story - not like when Trump suggested injecting bleach to kill Covid - when practically every media outlet in the world had something to say.

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If a murderer punches you in the face for no reason, do you just think: 'don't worry about it, he's done much worse'?

These are not rally speeches, they are daily coronavirus briefings. He's treating them like rally speeches because he can't do rallies right now.

Rally speeches can be the same or similar each time because each rally is to a different audience in a different town - like a band going on tour. But in these daily coronavirus briefings, he's addressing the nation - the same people every day - and he's supposed to be instilling confidence that he's on the case. If he's not bothering to update the stats, he's probably not even looking at them. Surely that's something the American people should be made aware of.

A single CNN news article is not exactly "hauling him over the coals". I doubt any other broadcasters carried this story - not like when Trump suggested injecting bleach to kill Covid - when practically every media outlet in the world had something to say.

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Guest: (35 days ago)

If you think that someone repeating a statistic more than once is the equivalent of getting punched, you need to toughen up some.  If a murderer blows his nose, do you think 'That's disgusting, how dare a murderer blow his nose'?  

I didn't say they are rally speeches.  I simply pointed out that the statistics he is repeating won't change.  I'm guessing that's why they were chosen.  If you disagree, tell me which 'fact' from the video will have changed since he said it last time.  I'm all ears.

Like I said, scraping the barrel to criticise something like this when there are overwhelming issues with his ability to govern, is just stupid and plays right into his hands.  Future generations will look back with disdain on people like you who were so busy picking fault in Trump's hair, laziness, or childish manner, that you failed to bring his unaccountable power into check.  

If you actually want to hold him to account, then I dare you to try and hold him to account for his sexual criminality, his obstruction of justice, his soliciting of foreign aid, his incitement of hatred and violence, his abuse of power, his attack of press freedom, his financial corruption, his contempt for the constitution, etc. etc. etc.  Still want to whine that he repeated something in a speech?  Uhuh.  That's why he's your president.
 

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If you think that someone repeating a statistic more than once is the equivalent of getting punched, you need to toughen up some.  If a murderer blows his nose, do you think 'That's disgusting, how dare a murderer blow his nose'?  

I didn't say they are rally speeches.  I simply pointed out that the statistics he is repeating won't change.  I'm guessing that's why they were chosen.  If you disagree, tell me which 'fact' from the video will have changed since he said it last time.  I'm all ears.

Like I said, scraping the barrel to criticise something like this when there are overwhelming issues with his ability to govern, is just stupid and plays right into his hands.  Future generations will look back with disdain on people like you who were so busy picking fault in Trump's hair, laziness, or childish manner, that you failed to bring his unaccountable power into check.  

If you actually want to hold him to account, then I dare you to try and hold him to account for his sexual criminality, his obstruction of justice, his soliciting of foreign aid, his incitement of hatred and violence, his abuse of power, his attack of press freedom, his financial corruption, his contempt for the constitution, etc. etc. etc.  Still want to whine that he repeated something in a speech?  Uhuh.  That's why he's your president.
 

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Guest: ThatsallFolks! (35 days ago)

Trump's job has always been distraction as the boys in the back room scape up any remaining national resources.  He does his job by the political equivalent of picking his nose on the podium and driving all else from the front page.  At first, he would squeeze various groups of citizens so their cries of anguish would drown out the clomping footsteps of appointees entering high office, studying the files and screwing up their organization, then leaving when done to make room for impatient successors. Once the laughable ease of creating wealth with a keystroke became apparent, he was able to relax, spewing out an occasional startling, outrageous non sequitur to keep the chaos tumbling- as Biden will, in turn, though with greater gravitas and manners (except when cranky).  Meanwhile the spectres of climate change, resource depletion, economic collapse and disease will gallop ever closer in a great, thunderous but ignored cavalry charge with the other Horsemen of Apocalypse as we hyperventilate over every perceived insult from our neighbors and elected leaders.

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Trump's job has always been distraction as the boys in the back room scape up any remaining national resources.  He does his job by the political equivalent of picking his nose on the podium and driving all else from the front page.  At first, he would squeeze various groups of citizens so their cries of anguish would drown out the clomping footsteps of appointees entering high office, studying the files and screwing up their organization, then leaving when done to make room for impatient successors. Once the laughable ease of creating wealth with a keystroke became apparent, he was able to relax, spewing out an occasional startling, outrageous non sequitur to keep the chaos tumbling- as Biden will, in turn, though with greater gravitas and manners (except when cranky).  Meanwhile the spectres of climate change, resource depletion, economic collapse and disease will gallop ever closer in a great, thunderous but ignored cavalry charge with the other Horsemen of Apocalypse as we hyperventilate over every perceived insult from our neighbors and elected leaders.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (34 days ago)

YOU started this thread. Are you trying to distract from Trump's disastrous coronavirus response? I think you're a secret Trump admirer.

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YOU started this thread. Are you trying to distract from Trump's disastrous coronavirus response? I think you're a secret Trump admirer.

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Guest: (34 days ago)

Aha here comes the strawman argument and a refusal to answer my question.  That means you know you're on thin ice.

I have listed some incredibly serious, impeachable offences, misdemeanours and more, whereas you only seem to have the backbone to pick him up on repeating a few statistics.  Tell me, who is the Trump admirer?  Sadly, you clearly have the leader you deserve.

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Aha here comes the strawman argument and a refusal to answer my question.  That means you know you're on thin ice.

I have listed some incredibly serious, impeachable offences, misdemeanours and more, whereas you only seem to have the backbone to pick him up on repeating a few statistics.  Tell me, who is the Trump admirer?  Sadly, you clearly have the leader you deserve.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (33 days ago)

What are you talking about? This is one CNN article, not the whole body of media criticism on Trump.

Do you think showing that Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates, is NOT a message worth passing on to the American people? CNN disagree with you, and I side with CNN.

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What are you talking about? This is one CNN article, not the whole body of media criticism on Trump.

Do you think showing that Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates, is NOT a message worth passing on to the American people? CNN disagree with you, and I side with CNN.

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Guest: (33 days ago)

Do keep up.  

Trump repeating statistics that do not change is not newsworthy, and you're daft if you think that an article like this would be convince the American people that he's a lazy president.  

His making up statistics, lying, and anyone of those felonies I listed IS newsworthy and would be worth focussing on, but no, you find it easier to nitpick, and add weight to his theory that the media are biased against him.  Heck, he's criminally incompetent and mentally ill, but let's talk about how lazy he is!  How generous of you.

Can I ask you again as you missed it the first time around - which of those statistics is now out of date?  See if you can find another excuse not to answer.

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Do keep up.  

Trump repeating statistics that do not change is not newsworthy, and you're daft if you think that an article like this would be convince the American people that he's a lazy president.  

His making up statistics, lying, and anyone of those felonies I listed IS newsworthy and would be worth focussing on, but no, you find it easier to nitpick, and add weight to his theory that the media are biased against him.  Heck, he's criminally incompetent and mentally ill, but let's talk about how lazy he is!  How generous of you.

Can I ask you again as you missed it the first time around - which of those statistics is now out of date?  See if you can find another excuse not to answer.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (33 days ago)

No single article convinces anyone of anything. It's about building up a picture. Like advertising - you don't see an ad on telly and then rush down to the store to buy the hoover. No, you see many ads over time, and when you need a new hoover, your subconscious kicks in.

Trump loves the uneducated. He said so himself. He loves the uneducated because he thinks he can repeat the same stats, and they won't notice. And if they do notice, then he's so clever with his wording that no one can claim he was wrong. But you noticed. So thanks for pointing it out. You must be one of the educated.

But then you didn't pick up on his laziness. I blame the algorithm.

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No single article convinces anyone of anything. It's about building up a picture. Like advertising - you don't see an ad on telly and then rush down to the store to buy the hoover. No, you see many ads over time, and when you need a new hoover, your subconscious kicks in.

Trump loves the uneducated. He said so himself. He loves the uneducated because he thinks he can repeat the same stats, and they won't notice. And if they do notice, then he's so clever with his wording that no one can claim he was wrong. But you noticed. So thanks for pointing it out. You must be one of the educated.

But then you didn't pick up on his laziness. I blame the algorithm.

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Guest: (33 days ago)

Awesome, so you accept the stats don't actually need updating.  How come you didn't spot that in your first comment?  The algorithm?

Right, no single article can be convincing, so be selective.  If you want to feed a message of laziness to the people, be smart enough to cherry-pick the best examples - like the unprecedented amount of time he spends at his golf resorts - rather than looking at examples that can be levied against just about every POTUS in history.

As well as the uneducated, Donnie also loves the easily distracted and those who obsess over his every move.  They play into the narrative that he has created.  He claims the media are biased and out to get him?  All he needs some his opponents to obsess over trivial points and write entire segments about it, not smart enough to see what they're doing.  He wants to undermine the entire voting system?  As 'ThatsAllFolks' points out below, all he needs to do is distract people like you.  Hopefully CNN will do a piece about his hair, his speech writing, or his diet and you can get all outraged while business continues as usual.

Pat yourself on the back if you like, but we have all picked up on his trivial laziness - it's just that for a criminally incompetent narcissist I don't believe that's what the focus needs to be on.  If you can't criticise him or bring him down by being fair and honest, he's far stronger than I ever gave him credit for.  

Pick your battles or you will never shake him.  

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Awesome, so you accept the stats don't actually need updating.  How come you didn't spot that in your first comment?  The algorithm?

Right, no single article can be convincing, so be selective.  If you want to feed a message of laziness to the people, be smart enough to cherry-pick the best examples - like the unprecedented amount of time he spends at his golf resorts - rather than looking at examples that can be levied against just about every POTUS in history.

As well as the uneducated, Donnie also loves the easily distracted and those who obsess over his every move.  They play into the narrative that he has created.  He claims the media are biased and out to get him?  All he needs some his opponents to obsess over trivial points and write entire segments about it, not smart enough to see what they're doing.  He wants to undermine the entire voting system?  As 'ThatsAllFolks' points out below, all he needs to do is distract people like you.  Hopefully CNN will do a piece about his hair, his speech writing, or his diet and you can get all outraged while business continues as usual.

Pat yourself on the back if you like, but we have all picked up on his trivial laziness - it's just that for a criminally incompetent narcissist I don't believe that's what the focus needs to be on.  If you can't criticise him or bring him down by being fair and honest, he's far stronger than I ever gave him credit for.  

Pick your battles or you will never shake him.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (33 days ago)

OMG! you actually think I work for CNN.

But if you want my personal opinion, I think Trump's laziness is not highlit enough. For those gun-toting survivalists who love Trump and drive big pickups with flags hanging off the back - they would much rather their hero rode horses barechested than be a fat lazy slob who can't even be bothered to update his daily briefings.

I missed his clever number trick because I was too focussed on the "fat lazy slob who couldn't even be bothered to update his daily briefings" bit. But I'm sure I would have spotted it. After all, you managed it.

You are so proud of spotting Trump's Jedi mind trick, it reminded me of how proud he was of remembering 5 words in order. I can see why you secretly love him, you have so much in common. Which one are you - Dunning or Kruger?

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OMG! you actually think I work for CNN.

But if you want my personal opinion, I think Trump's laziness is not highlit enough. For those gun-toting survivalists who love Trump and drive big pickups with flags hanging off the back - they would much rather their hero rode horses barechested than be a fat lazy slob who can't even be bothered to update his daily briefings.

I missed his clever number trick because I was too focussed on the "fat lazy slob who couldn't even be bothered to update his daily briefings" bit. But I'm sure I would have spotted it. After all, you managed it.

You are so proud of spotting Trump's Jedi mind trick, it reminded me of how proud he was of remembering 5 words in order. I can see why you secretly love him, you have so much in common. Which one are you - Dunning or Kruger?

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Guest: (33 days ago)

OMG LOL!!  I like watching you descend into a mass of strawmen arguments and ad hominems... how I think you work for CNN and how I secretly love him.  I guess my actual points have got you stumped and you're left frustrated, venting at me any way you can.  Thank you.  Ad hominems are Trump's favourite technique so well done, he'd be proud.  LOL OMG PMSL.

FYI I don't think you're capable of working for CNN.  You're the type that trots behind instead, while giving Trump ammunition against the entire media and press freedom as a whole.  Nice one.  A good example of the false dichotomy fallacy too.  Logic clearly isn't your specialism LOL ROFL.

This is hard for you, but be brave and accept the criticisms that I have made for your elected commander in chief.  Don't get so triggered.  As stressful as it must be to acknowledge this, his idleness is just about the last thing we should care about right now.  Sure, the other things are harder to understand, and harder to resolve, but I'm afraid that's what is needed.  Taking up screen time on evergreen statistics (that you now realise don't need updating), while he is pulling apart your entire electoral system, explains why you have him.  Just desserts.  

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OMG LOL!!  I like watching you descend into a mass of strawmen arguments and ad hominems... how I think you work for CNN and how I secretly love him.  I guess my actual points have got you stumped and you're left frustrated, venting at me any way you can.  Thank you.  Ad hominems are Trump's favourite technique so well done, he'd be proud.  LOL OMG PMSL.

FYI I don't think you're capable of working for CNN.  You're the type that trots behind instead, while giving Trump ammunition against the entire media and press freedom as a whole.  Nice one.  A good example of the false dichotomy fallacy too.  Logic clearly isn't your specialism LOL ROFL.

This is hard for you, but be brave and accept the criticisms that I have made for your elected commander in chief.  Don't get so triggered.  As stressful as it must be to acknowledge this, his idleness is just about the last thing we should care about right now.  Sure, the other things are harder to understand, and harder to resolve, but I'm afraid that's what is needed.  Taking up screen time on evergreen statistics (that you now realise don't need updating), while he is pulling apart your entire electoral system, explains why you have him.  Just desserts.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (33 days ago)

Your points didn't stump me. It's why you are addressing me with them - that's what stumped me. And I'm still stumped. Do you want me to pass your comments on to CNN? Will that shut you up?

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Your points didn't stump me. It's why you are addressing me with them - that's what stumped me. And I'm still stumped. Do you want me to pass your comments on to CNN? Will that shut you up?

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Guest: (32 days ago)

Oh dear, you're upset.  Sorry about that.

If my points didn't stump you, why are you unable to answer a simple question, and why do you insist on inventing an opinion to argue with, instead of actually tackling what I actually write?

Don't hide behind CNN.  The reason I am addressing you is because you replied to the point I made.  If you didn't want to be addressed, then you shouldn't keep clicking that 'Reply' button, or making points that you can't back up.  

My point, in case you're still baffled, is that there is nothing unusual about reusing parts of speeches, nor in repeating statistics or facts that aren't liable to change.  You have made absolutely no challenge to that at all, preferring to witter on with strawmen arguments.

Focussing on minor grievances (whether it's CNN doing the focussing, Democrats, or you) does a huge favour to Donnie who is dismantling democratic process in your country right under your nose.  This isn't a criticism of CNN; it's a criticism of anyone who falls for these nitpicking distractions.

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Oh dear, you're upset.  Sorry about that.

If my points didn't stump you, why are you unable to answer a simple question, and why do you insist on inventing an opinion to argue with, instead of actually tackling what I actually write?

Don't hide behind CNN.  The reason I am addressing you is because you replied to the point I made.  If you didn't want to be addressed, then you shouldn't keep clicking that 'Reply' button, or making points that you can't back up.  

My point, in case you're still baffled, is that there is nothing unusual about reusing parts of speeches, nor in repeating statistics or facts that aren't liable to change.  You have made absolutely no challenge to that at all, preferring to witter on with strawmen arguments.

Focussing on minor grievances (whether it's CNN doing the focussing, Democrats, or you) does a huge favour to Donnie who is dismantling democratic process in your country right under your nose.  This isn't a criticism of CNN; it's a criticism of anyone who falls for these nitpicking distractions.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (32 days ago)

You think this story is not newsworthy because you can't see beyond someone repeating some words.

I see a lazy slob who doesn't give a fig about the pandemic, and is using these daily briefings to replace election rallies. He begins with the same lines every day just to get the pandemic bit over, so he can move on to his favourite part - the incoherent ramble that somehow only makes sense to his supporters. Because I can see beyond someone repeating some words, I think it is newsworthy.

All that other stuff you trot out, direct it at CNN. Maybe they can make sense of it.

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You think this story is not newsworthy because you can't see beyond someone repeating some words.

I see a lazy slob who doesn't give a fig about the pandemic, and is using these daily briefings to replace election rallies. He begins with the same lines every day just to get the pandemic bit over, so he can move on to his favourite part - the incoherent ramble that somehow only makes sense to his supporters. Because I can see beyond someone repeating some words, I think it is newsworthy.

All that other stuff you trot out, direct it at CNN. Maybe they can make sense of it.

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Guest: (32 days ago)

Another reply, just after complaining about me addressing you, and still trying to hide behind CNN.  Go figure.  No wonder you can't make sense of what I'm saying.

Yes, he is lazy.  Yes, he is exploiting coronavirus updates.  But no, it is not a major issue that he (like any other public speaker) repeats statistics.  It's not newsworthy because as I've said many times, this is a trait of just about every public speaker, including those you support.  Pick your battles.  You can't see beyond your hate for this man.  Your reaction is emotional.

I see a criminally incompetent narcissist who has gullible followers believing his every word, but unlike you, I also see gullible opponents who are so blinkered by hate that they criticise him for insignificant infractions and thereby bolster his 'Media is Biased' message.  Well done.  He should give you a medal.

Jesus, the USA is in a mess.

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Another reply, just after complaining about me addressing you, and still trying to hide behind CNN.  Go figure.  No wonder you can't make sense of what I'm saying.

Yes, he is lazy.  Yes, he is exploiting coronavirus updates.  But no, it is not a major issue that he (like any other public speaker) repeats statistics.  It's not newsworthy because as I've said many times, this is a trait of just about every public speaker, including those you support.  Pick your battles.  You can't see beyond your hate for this man.  Your reaction is emotional.

I see a criminally incompetent narcissist who has gullible followers believing his every word, but unlike you, I also see gullible opponents who are so blinkered by hate that they criticise him for insignificant infractions and thereby bolster his 'Media is Biased' message.  Well done.  He should give you a medal.

Jesus, the USA is in a mess.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (31 days ago)

Do I really need to break it down into easy-to-digest morcels?

When a politician repeats a speech, they are not trying to deceive. They are merely delivering the same speech to another audience.

But Trump is trying to deceive. He is hijacking the daily coronavirus briefings for his election campaign. That is why he is repeating stats - he has to get the formalities over before he can blow off. That might not bother you but it bothers me.

Maybe everyone is like you, they are not bothered because all they see is a politician repeating some stats.

But I doubt it. Don't underestimate the intelligence of the average Trump supporter.

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Do I really need to break it down into easy-to-digest morcels?

When a politician repeats a speech, they are not trying to deceive. They are merely delivering the same speech to another audience.

But Trump is trying to deceive. He is hijacking the daily coronavirus briefings for his election campaign. That is why he is repeating stats - he has to get the formalities over before he can blow off. That might not bother you but it bothers me.

Maybe everyone is like you, they are not bothered because all they see is a politician repeating some stats.

But I doubt it. Don't underestimate the intelligence of the average Trump supporter.

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Guest: (31 days ago)

You don't need to break it down, unless perhaps you want to pretend that I don't understand your amazing reasoning, as opposed to simply disagreeing.  That would be a sign of ego - seems to remind me of someone.

I'm not talking about repeating an entire speech.  I am talking about repeating key statistics.  Politicians put a spin on things.  I'm sorry that rocks your world.  Notice how often Biden repeats his fact about  0.1% owning more than the bottom 90%?  Complain if Trump's statistics are incorrect, complain if he has cherry-picked statistics that don't change, but complaining simply that he is repeating them is naive, biased, and a dangerous distraction.

I appreciate that there are vastly more people like you than like me, and that's why Trump got into power.  On both sides, people are emotional rather than logical, wrapped up in tribal politics and hatred, and they lose the ability to impartially judge a character, or apply principles and expectations consistently.  

There are plenty of valid and important criticisms of Trump - why so scared to wade in on anything with substance?  By nitpicking inconsequential details, not only is it hypocritical but we also lose sight of what is important, and we fuel the Trump supporters' belief that the media is out to get him.  That may not bother you, but it bothers me.  

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You don't need to break it down, unless perhaps you want to pretend that I don't understand your amazing reasoning, as opposed to simply disagreeing.  That would be a sign of ego - seems to remind me of someone.

I'm not talking about repeating an entire speech.  I am talking about repeating key statistics.  Politicians put a spin on things.  I'm sorry that rocks your world.  Notice how often Biden repeats his fact about  0.1% owning more than the bottom 90%?  Complain if Trump's statistics are incorrect, complain if he has cherry-picked statistics that don't change, but complaining simply that he is repeating them is naive, biased, and a dangerous distraction.

I appreciate that there are vastly more people like you than like me, and that's why Trump got into power.  On both sides, people are emotional rather than logical, wrapped up in tribal politics and hatred, and they lose the ability to impartially judge a character, or apply principles and expectations consistently.  

There are plenty of valid and important criticisms of Trump - why so scared to wade in on anything with substance?  By nitpicking inconsequential details, not only is it hypocritical but we also lose sight of what is important, and we fuel the Trump supporters' belief that the media is out to get him.  That may not bother you, but it bothers me.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (31 days ago)

You are employing classic inverse whataboutery. Trump repeats stats - whatabout the Floyd protests, whatabout the China trade war, whatabout his pulling out of Iran nuclear deal, pulling out of Paris Agreement, the money laundering, the pussy-grabbing, his love for dictators, his top staff are in court or in jail, the nepotism, his tax returns, Eric ... I could go on.

Try thinking beyond a politician repeating stats, but don't wander off too far - just keep in mind it is a 3 minute news segment that we are talking about.

Donald Trump is hijacking the daily coronavirus briefing for his election campaign. That is the story. Is it newsworthy? I think so. You don't. I'm trying to help you see that it is. Did I succeed?

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You are employing classic inverse whataboutery. Trump repeats stats - whatabout the Floyd protests, whatabout the China trade war, whatabout his pulling out of Iran nuclear deal, pulling out of Paris Agreement, the money laundering, the pussy-grabbing, his love for dictators, his top staff are in court or in jail, the nepotism, his tax returns, Eric ... I could go on.

Try thinking beyond a politician repeating stats, but don't wander off too far - just keep in mind it is a 3 minute news segment that we are talking about.

Donald Trump is hijacking the daily coronavirus briefing for his election campaign. That is the story. Is it newsworthy? I think so. You don't. I'm trying to help you see that it is. Did I succeed?

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Guest: (29 days ago)

"Classic inverse whataboutery" - that made me laugh:  An appeal to prioritise and be consistent shouldn't upset you.  Click on the 'Donald Trump' tag, and you will see that of the last 10 videos discussing Trump (on everything from the undermining of the voting system to police corruption), you have managed to wade in on just one - that he has repeated some statistics.  This either shows naivity, laziness, or a veiled support for Trump.  I am trying to help you prioritise.

In case you hadn't spotted it, you have a very limited amount of time to stop this man being re-elected.  To me, that means you must carefully choose what to focus on, the really criminal aspects of his behaviour, the unique and unprecedented flaws.  But to you, there is still time to focus on relatively minor behaviours that can be seen in every other politician.  You think by highlighting that sort of thing, you might possibly swing some voters.

I've tried, but apparently, you don't see the need for political commentary to be efficient, targetted, and fair at a time when saturation, apathy, and distrust are major factors in voter disillusionment.  

You want a zero-tolerance approach which would mean refusing to accept any politician that lies, self-publicises, or repeats statistics.  What a lovely theory - see how that works when it comes to marking your ballot, and stopping this man from leading your nation.  
 
I have tried in multiple comments to show you that by focussing on relatively irrelevant details, you are playing straight into his hands.  I already know I haven't succeeded, because your brand of US identity politics means you're too busy point-scoring.  You hate him, so anything floats.  It's why you lost the last election, and why, despite having the most ridiculous and incompetent Western leader in living memory, you have a high chance of losing again.  

Live and learn, or suck it up.

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"Classic inverse whataboutery" - that made me laugh:  An appeal to prioritise and be consistent shouldn't upset you.  Click on the 'Donald Trump' tag, and you will see that of the last 10 videos discussing Trump (on everything from the undermining of the voting system to police corruption), you have managed to wade in on just one - that he has repeated some statistics.  This either shows naivity, laziness, or a veiled support for Trump.  I am trying to help you prioritise.

In case you hadn't spotted it, you have a very limited amount of time to stop this man being re-elected.  To me, that means you must carefully choose what to focus on, the really criminal aspects of his behaviour, the unique and unprecedented flaws.  But to you, there is still time to focus on relatively minor behaviours that can be seen in every other politician.  You think by highlighting that sort of thing, you might possibly swing some voters.

I've tried, but apparently, you don't see the need for political commentary to be efficient, targetted, and fair at a time when saturation, apathy, and distrust are major factors in voter disillusionment.  

You want a zero-tolerance approach which would mean refusing to accept any politician that lies, self-publicises, or repeats statistics.  What a lovely theory - see how that works when it comes to marking your ballot, and stopping this man from leading your nation.  
 
I have tried in multiple comments to show you that by focussing on relatively irrelevant details, you are playing straight into his hands.  I already know I haven't succeeded, because your brand of US identity politics means you're too busy point-scoring.  You hate him, so anything floats.  It's why you lost the last election, and why, despite having the most ridiculous and incompetent Western leader in living memory, you have a high chance of losing again.  

Live and learn, or suck it up.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (28 days ago)

You said Trump repeating the some stats is not newsworthy. I said I think it is and explained why.

For some reason, that wasn't enough. Now you want me to take charge of CNN programming. What's got into you old man?

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You said Trump repeating the some stats is not newsworthy. I said I think it is and explained why.

For some reason, that wasn't enough. Now you want me to take charge of CNN programming. What's got into you old man?

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Guest: (28 days ago)

You explained why you think it is newsworthy, then I explained (again) why I think it isn't.  Did you miss that bit?

The reason your explanation isn't 'enough', is that you haven't been remotely persuasive as to why we should be spending the little time we have left looking at trivial behaviour (seen in all politicians) instead of uniquely dangerous criminal behaviour.  

I really don't know of any others ways to explain it.  It's like focussing on Hitler talking with his mouth full and shrieking 'Whatboutery!' if anyone mentions the holocaust.  Pick.  Your.  Battles.

Now you've reverted back to hiding behind CNN.  You share this view that we should obsess over poor examples of relatively trivial behaviour, so I am speaking to you, not CNN.  They are doing it for viewing figures, and they are not here to defend their political and programming ideas.  What's your excuse?

What has got into me?  Maybe the fact that I can see Trump has a genuine chance at re-election, and that naive opponents of his are actually boosting his odds without realising.  

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You explained why you think it is newsworthy, then I explained (again) why I think it isn't.  Did you miss that bit?

The reason your explanation isn't 'enough', is that you haven't been remotely persuasive as to why we should be spending the little time we have left looking at trivial behaviour (seen in all politicians) instead of uniquely dangerous criminal behaviour.  

I really don't know of any others ways to explain it.  It's like focussing on Hitler talking with his mouth full and shrieking 'Whatboutery!' if anyone mentions the holocaust.  Pick.  Your.  Battles.

Now you've reverted back to hiding behind CNN.  You share this view that we should obsess over poor examples of relatively trivial behaviour, so I am speaking to you, not CNN.  They are doing it for viewing figures, and they are not here to defend their political and programming ideas.  What's your excuse?

What has got into me?  Maybe the fact that I can see Trump has a genuine chance at re-election, and that naive opponents of his are actually boosting his odds without realising.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (26 days ago)

You think Trump repeating stats is not newsworthy because lots of politicians do it. I said that isn't the story. That's the clue. The story is that he's hijacking coronavirus briefings for his election campaign. You can't seem to make the connection. I've tried my best but I can't get through. Now I understand why Trump loves the uneducated. Over and out.

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You think Trump repeating stats is not newsworthy because lots of politicians do it. I said that isn't the story. That's the clue. The story is that he's hijacking coronavirus briefings for his election campaign. You can't seem to make the connection. I've tried my best but I can't get through. Now I understand why Trump loves the uneducated. Over and out.

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Guest: (26 days ago)

I'll remind you, your originally highly educated and mature point was "Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates", and your evidence was that he was repeating statistics.  I'm glad you have abandoned that original point.  Good on you.

As for hijacking briefings, I already explained - yes, politicians routinely put a spin on things, they self-publicise.  Crazy, right?  However, politicians don't routinely undermine press freedom, jeopardise elections, solicit foreign aid illegally, or pay hush money to hookers.  See the difference?  Figured out which you need to focus on?  No?  Well I tried.  :)

Nice of you to part on an ad hominem - very apt.  Looks fun!  Like any teenager, you depend on ad hominems and strawmen attacks, and don't have the life experience to determine how Trump's behaviour compares historically, nor the education to be aware of (and counteract) the cognitive bias that riddles your impressionable mind.  A mass of confused self-contradictions.  It's sweet you think you're against Trump, but you're the type that ensured he was elected, and you will possibly do it again.  

I'm always amazed that Trump stands any chance at being a leader, then I speak with his so-called opponents and it suddenly all stacks up.  

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I'll remind you, your originally highly educated and mature point was "Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates", and your evidence was that he was repeating statistics.  I'm glad you have abandoned that original point.  Good on you.

As for hijacking briefings, I already explained - yes, politicians routinely put a spin on things, they self-publicise.  Crazy, right?  However, politicians don't routinely undermine press freedom, jeopardise elections, solicit foreign aid illegally, or pay hush money to hookers.  See the difference?  Figured out which you need to focus on?  No?  Well I tried.  :)

Nice of you to part on an ad hominem - very apt.  Looks fun!  Like any teenager, you depend on ad hominems and strawmen attacks, and don't have the life experience to determine how Trump's behaviour compares historically, nor the education to be aware of (and counteract) the cognitive bias that riddles your impressionable mind.  A mass of confused self-contradictions.  It's sweet you think you're against Trump, but you're the type that ensured he was elected, and you will possibly do it again.  

I'm always amazed that Trump stands any chance at being a leader, then I speak with his so-called opponents and it suddenly all stacks up.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (26 days ago)

Now we can only criticize Trump for things other politicians don’t routinely do.

And when the guy responsible for the worse response to coronavirus in the world hijacks his daily briefings for electioneering, during an election and at the height of the pandemic - you think that is not newsworthy. Not even 3 minutes on CNN? What if it was a 2 minute segment - would you be happy with that?

I facepalmed so much you ruined my makeup. 

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Now we can only criticize Trump for things other politicians don’t routinely do.

And when the guy responsible for the worse response to coronavirus in the world hijacks his daily briefings for electioneering, during an election and at the height of the pandemic - you think that is not newsworthy. Not even 3 minutes on CNN? What if it was a 2 minute segment - would you be happy with that?

I facepalmed so much you ruined my makeup. 

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Guest: (26 days ago)

Stop hiding behind CNN, it's pathetic.  This isn't about them - it's about anyone who thinks this is newsworthy.  If that isn't you, pipe down.  If it is, then stop cowering behind a news outlet that has the excuse of literally being paid to churn out this stuff.  

"Now we can only criticize Trump for things other politicians don’t routinely do".  If you want to be heard, if you don't want to saturate or alienate swing voters but educate them, if you want to make the most of your limited time, correct. 

Like I said, there are dozens of videos about him here, tackling his most serious transgressions, and this seems to be the one you pick to whine about.  Well there we go.  It's tragic to watch you do this to your own country, but it explains everything.  You and Trump are both products of the same system and the same culture, and he depends on your naivity.  

You have less than 70 days to show that he is different from his political opponents, that he is more dangerous, that he isn't just lazy or self-publicising but a criminal autocrat happy to break down democracy itself.  If you want to waste time throwing feathers at him as if he is just like every regular politician, you will lose like you lost before and honestly you will deserve it.

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Stop hiding behind CNN, it's pathetic.  This isn't about them - it's about anyone who thinks this is newsworthy.  If that isn't you, pipe down.  If it is, then stop cowering behind a news outlet that has the excuse of literally being paid to churn out this stuff.  

"Now we can only criticize Trump for things other politicians don’t routinely do".  If you want to be heard, if you don't want to saturate or alienate swing voters but educate them, if you want to make the most of your limited time, correct. 

Like I said, there are dozens of videos about him here, tackling his most serious transgressions, and this seems to be the one you pick to whine about.  Well there we go.  It's tragic to watch you do this to your own country, but it explains everything.  You and Trump are both products of the same system and the same culture, and he depends on your naivity.  

You have less than 70 days to show that he is different from his political opponents, that he is more dangerous, that he isn't just lazy or self-publicising but a criminal autocrat happy to break down democracy itself.  If you want to waste time throwing feathers at him as if he is just like every regular politician, you will lose like you lost before and honestly you will deserve it.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (26 days ago)

So when the guy in charge of the worse response to coronavirus in the world, at the height of the pandemic with over 170,00 deaths - when he blatantly hijacks his daily briefings for electioneering - that is not newsworthy?

OK, how about 1 minute? Please? Pleasy please?

1 minute in 70 days leaves plenty of minutes left for the more serious stuff.

Please?

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So when the guy in charge of the worse response to coronavirus in the world, at the height of the pandemic with over 170,00 deaths - when he blatantly hijacks his daily briefings for electioneering - that is not newsworthy?

OK, how about 1 minute? Please? Pleasy please?

1 minute in 70 days leaves plenty of minutes left for the more serious stuff.

Please?

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Guest: (26 days ago)

Correct.  The news story should be his organisational response to covid-19, not how (or whether) he personally relates that to the American people.  

Aaaand you still don't get it.  It's not just about having enough time to tackle stuff that actually matters, it's about using that time effectively.  Remember I said, "you don't see the need for political commentary to be efficient, targetted, and fair at a time when saturation, apathy, and distrust are major factors in voter disillusionment."  Focussing on things that aren't exceptional, when dealing with an exceptional person, belittles the seriousness of the issues at stake, fuels Trump's theory that the media is biased, and doesn't impress any swing voter who is looking for the deciding evidence.  People without your emotional attachment to a position get bored, assume you're scraping the barrel (which you are), and tune out.  You lose them. 

You have 68 days now, right?  Why not start a thread about his hair style?  I bet he is clinically overweight too!  I wonder if you can also find a time where he stammered while saying something!  Cover it!  Just one minute on each.  Why not?  You've got loads of time after-all.   

Sadly, you're part of the problem.  

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Correct.  The news story should be his organisational response to covid-19, not how (or whether) he personally relates that to the American people.  

Aaaand you still don't get it.  It's not just about having enough time to tackle stuff that actually matters, it's about using that time effectively.  Remember I said, "you don't see the need for political commentary to be efficient, targetted, and fair at a time when saturation, apathy, and distrust are major factors in voter disillusionment."  Focussing on things that aren't exceptional, when dealing with an exceptional person, belittles the seriousness of the issues at stake, fuels Trump's theory that the media is biased, and doesn't impress any swing voter who is looking for the deciding evidence.  People without your emotional attachment to a position get bored, assume you're scraping the barrel (which you are), and tune out.  You lose them. 

You have 68 days now, right?  Why not start a thread about his hair style?  I bet he is clinically overweight too!  I wonder if you can also find a time where he stammered while saying something!  Cover it!  Just one minute on each.  Why not?  You've got loads of time after-all.   

Sadly, you're part of the problem.  

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (24 days ago)

The way a story is communicated matters. This story IS about his 'organisational response to covid-19' or more accurately, the lack of it. I can see that, the panel can see that, but you are still having difficulty.

Maybe contact CNN and tell them to dumb down a little bit more. Point out their audience are the uneducated, and that there are only 67 days left.

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The way a story is communicated matters. This story IS about his 'organisational response to covid-19' or more accurately, the lack of it. I can see that, the panel can see that, but you are still having difficulty.

Maybe contact CNN and tell them to dumb down a little bit more. Point out their audience are the uneducated, and that there are only 67 days left.

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Guest: (24 days ago)

Still hiding behind CNN!  Amazing, even when I point it out you just can't stop yourself.  So long as the people that are paid to sell these stories are saying these things, then you don't need to justify your own beliefs?  Wow.

More strawmen.  I didn't say the CNN audience is uneducated (that's your kind of simplistic generalisation, not mine).  However, they do run stories that cater for simplistic thinkers - people who would rather tackle trivial point-scoring issues rather than meaty and complex matters that effect the security of the nation.  Ring any bells?

If only it WAS about the organisational response.  The organisational response is not what people say about the organisational response - e.g. telling people about the PPE you have ordered is not the same as ordering PPE.  I can see that, but you are still have difficulty.  

You would rather talk about what Trump says about the covid effort than the covid effort itself.  But that's OK, because CNN told you, and if I have an issue with it I should speak to them.

Honestly, you have taught me quite a lot in the space of this page about why someone like Trump can succeed in your country. 

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Still hiding behind CNN!  Amazing, even when I point it out you just can't stop yourself.  So long as the people that are paid to sell these stories are saying these things, then you don't need to justify your own beliefs?  Wow.

More strawmen.  I didn't say the CNN audience is uneducated (that's your kind of simplistic generalisation, not mine).  However, they do run stories that cater for simplistic thinkers - people who would rather tackle trivial point-scoring issues rather than meaty and complex matters that effect the security of the nation.  Ring any bells?

If only it WAS about the organisational response.  The organisational response is not what people say about the organisational response - e.g. telling people about the PPE you have ordered is not the same as ordering PPE.  I can see that, but you are still have difficulty.  

You would rather talk about what Trump says about the covid effort than the covid effort itself.  But that's OK, because CNN told you, and if I have an issue with it I should speak to them.

Honestly, you have taught me quite a lot in the space of this page about why someone like Trump can succeed in your country. 

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (23 days ago)

At last we agree on something - that 'telling people about the PPE you have ordered is not the same as ordering PPE'. Just like ordering PPE is not the same as receiving PPE. That's why telling people about the PPE is a part of the organizational response.

If you think the story should have been about PPE instead of hijacking coronavirus briefings, take it out with CNN.

I'll try and dumb it up for you. Maybe CNN thought - lets run a trivial story to fill 3 minutes of news because that's what our advertisers want. Or maybe someone in the office noticed the repetitions and thought: this is a good angle for a 3 minute news segment - target group: Trump supporters who are close enough to the edge that they might jump ship if the right buttons are pushed.

I'm not in that target group, but if that's what they thought, then I think they might be right. 

My guess is that most Trump supporters value highly the idea of the American Dream - that honest hard work will lead you to the top. And they would ideally like to follow a tough 'manly' leader like an American Putin.

In direct contrast, their hero can't even be bothered to update stats as he hijacks the coronavirus briefings, the purpose of which is to inform and assure the nation that adults are in charge of the pandemic. Like a cheating child, he reads out the same page hoping his supporters are too stupid to even notice. But they are not too stupid. They notice. 

Now if you could also notice, then we can wrap this mother up. Just remind me, how many days do I have left to save civilization?

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At last we agree on something - that 'telling people about the PPE you have ordered is not the same as ordering PPE'. Just like ordering PPE is not the same as receiving PPE. That's why telling people about the PPE is a part of the organizational response.

If you think the story should have been about PPE instead of hijacking coronavirus briefings, take it out with CNN.

I'll try and dumb it up for you. Maybe CNN thought - lets run a trivial story to fill 3 minutes of news because that's what our advertisers want. Or maybe someone in the office noticed the repetitions and thought: this is a good angle for a 3 minute news segment - target group: Trump supporters who are close enough to the edge that they might jump ship if the right buttons are pushed.

I'm not in that target group, but if that's what they thought, then I think they might be right. 

My guess is that most Trump supporters value highly the idea of the American Dream - that honest hard work will lead you to the top. And they would ideally like to follow a tough 'manly' leader like an American Putin.

In direct contrast, their hero can't even be bothered to update stats as he hijacks the coronavirus briefings, the purpose of which is to inform and assure the nation that adults are in charge of the pandemic. Like a cheating child, he reads out the same page hoping his supporters are too stupid to even notice. But they are not too stupid. They notice. 

Now if you could also notice, then we can wrap this mother up. Just remind me, how many days do I have left to save civilization?

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No, telling people is not part of the organisational response.  It is just telling people about it.  It's important to communicate your organisational response (yes, for reasons like public reassurance), but that is not part of the organisation and it certainly isn't as important.  Telling people about the weather is not the same as weather.  A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather.  I don't know how to make that clearer for you.

It's not just that CNN's story should be about PPE rather than repeating statistics because that negates the responsibility of people like you who are part of the problem you complain about.  I think the focus of ANY criticism should be about PPE (or at least any number of critical issues).  Yes, even your criticism!  You are just as guilty as they are.  The difference is they are paid to do that, whereas poor old you has to think of other justifications.  Saying "Yeah but CNN said it not me" isn't the most educated, mature or well-reasoned explanation of your views.

You seriously think that Trump supporters may jump ship if someone points out that Trump repeats statistics?  I mean holy hell.  Theory of mind.  You are emotionally invested in hating Trump.  Fine, well there are Trump supporters just like that too.  You pointing out these weak criticisms while remaining silent on the things that matter will not convert them, and the swing voters won't be swayed either.  The only people that care will be the zealots who already hate him and that is who CNN like to work up.

CNN are dependent on people being so emotionally wrapped up in their hatred for Trump, that they lose sense of perspective.  That gets ratings, but it doesn't get political victory.  Funnily enough, Trump himself tries distraction techniques whenever something big hits the press.  You two have a lot in common.  But hey, perhaps you're right, and CNN is right, and all the other news outlets, observers, and political pundits are wrong and stupid and unobservant, and this really is what we should all be quibbling about as this narcissist edges closer to another possible victory.  Tell yourself whatever you like.

Yes, you're very clever to have noticed something that CNN has fed to you.  Well I have noticed that he is lazy, that he repeats statistics, that he is a self-publicist who will use any opportunity to promote his brand.  However, I have also noticed that repeating statistics is not a good example of his obvous laziness, and his obvious laziness isn't a good example of a genuinely pressing issue, not when he is a criminal autocrat dismantling your entire democracy.  Not only that, I've noticed that most other news outlets didn't bother with this criticism.  I wonder why you haven't noticed those things.  

Have a think on it, and when you notice the polls are still surprisingly high for the worst Western leader in modern years, ask yourself what responsibility you may have.  And when your grandchildren ask why you didn't keep this tyrant out of the White House, get ready to tell them "I dunno - CNN told me what to say and it didn't work."

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No, telling people is not part of the organisational response.  It is just telling people about it.  It's important to communicate your organisational response (yes, for reasons like public reassurance), but that is not part of the organisation and it certainly isn't as important.  Telling people about the weather is not the same as weather.  A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather.  I don't know how to make that clearer for you.

It's not just that CNN's story should be about PPE rather than repeating statistics because that negates the responsibility of people like you who are part of the problem you complain about.  I think the focus of ANY criticism should be about PPE (or at least any number of critical issues).  Yes, even your criticism!  You are just as guilty as they are.  The difference is they are paid to do that, whereas poor old you has to think of other justifications.  Saying "Yeah but CNN said it not me" isn't the most educated, mature or well-reasoned explanation of your views.

You seriously think that Trump supporters may jump ship if someone points out that Trump repeats statistics?  I mean holy hell.  Theory of mind.  You are emotionally invested in hating Trump.  Fine, well there are Trump supporters just like that too.  You pointing out these weak criticisms while remaining silent on the things that matter will not convert them, and the swing voters won't be swayed either.  The only people that care will be the zealots who already hate him and that is who CNN like to work up.

CNN are dependent on people being so emotionally wrapped up in their hatred for Trump, that they lose sense of perspective.  That gets ratings, but it doesn't get political victory.  Funnily enough, Trump himself tries distraction techniques whenever something big hits the press.  You two have a lot in common.  But hey, perhaps you're right, and CNN is right, and all the other news outlets, observers, and political pundits are wrong and stupid and unobservant, and this really is what we should all be quibbling about as this narcissist edges closer to another possible victory.  Tell yourself whatever you like.

Yes, you're very clever to have noticed something that CNN has fed to you.  Well I have noticed that he is lazy, that he repeats statistics, that he is a self-publicist who will use any opportunity to promote his brand.  However, I have also noticed that repeating statistics is not a good example of his obvous laziness, and his obvious laziness isn't a good example of a genuinely pressing issue, not when he is a criminal autocrat dismantling your entire democracy.  Not only that, I've noticed that most other news outlets didn't bother with this criticism.  I wonder why you haven't noticed those things.  

Have a think on it, and when you notice the polls are still surprisingly high for the worst Western leader in modern years, ask yourself what responsibility you may have.  And when your grandchildren ask why you didn't keep this tyrant out of the White House, get ready to tell them "I dunno - CNN told me what to say and it didn't work."

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (19 days ago)

Telling people is not part of the organizational response? Really? How does a government tell the people about what's going on if they don't organize it? You just said something stupid. Stop digging.

"A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather." Well it sorta is if you think about it. If you don't tell people about the bad weather, it still arrives and destroys their home. Communication with the public is a crucial part of the organizational response.

And please be accurate. It's very easy to scroll up and check. I did not say "Trump supporters may jump ship if someone points out that Trump repeats statistics". That would be nuts. I said "Trump supporters close enough to the edge may jump ship..." Notice how "close enough to the edge" is the same trick that Trump uses when he repeats stats. You used it to defend Trump, how about using it to defend me? Maybe it's because you admire Trump more than you admire me? That's okay, I'm not hurt.

You're still stuck on a politician repeating stats. Just think about how branding works and then everything should make sense.

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Telling people is not part of the organizational response? Really? How does a government tell the people about what's going on if they don't organize it? You just said something stupid. Stop digging.

"A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather." Well it sorta is if you think about it. If you don't tell people about the bad weather, it still arrives and destroys their home. Communication with the public is a crucial part of the organizational response.

And please be accurate. It's very easy to scroll up and check. I did not say "Trump supporters may jump ship if someone points out that Trump repeats statistics". That would be nuts. I said "Trump supporters close enough to the edge may jump ship..." Notice how "close enough to the edge" is the same trick that Trump uses when he repeats stats. You used it to defend Trump, how about using it to defend me? Maybe it's because you admire Trump more than you admire me? That's okay, I'm not hurt.

You're still stuck on a politician repeating stats. Just think about how branding works and then everything should make sense.

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This is downright bizarre.  How do you still not understand this?  

I came up with the term 'organisational response', but in short I meant the practical, logistical, organisational response to a situation.  The government can, has, and does organise things without communicating anything at all to the general public.  Telling people, while important, is something different and something less critical than the actual work on the ground.  I honestly can't simplify this any further.  They are separate actions, and one is more important than the other, so should be the priority.  Get it yet?

""A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather." Well it sorta is if you think about it". 
It really isn't.  Whether the forecast gets it wrong, right, or doesn't say anything at all, doesn't actually affect the weather.  Just like whether the daily update is wrong, right, or doesn't say anything, doesn't actually affect how much PPE has been ordered.

Are you kidding?  You ask me to be accurate when you've said "You think I work for CNN"?  Did you scroll up for that?  Funny stuff. 
"Trump supporters close enough to the edge may jump ship..."  Are Trump supporters "close enough to the edge" still Trump supporters?  Then my point still stands - "Trump supporters are (emotionally invested) too.  You pointing out these weak criticisms while remaining silent on the things that matter will not convert them, and the swing voters won't be swayed either."  Which part of that do you think is wrong?  Wooly smear campaigns of no substance don't "impress any swing voter who is looking for the deciding evidence" either.  

Still not figured out about politicians repeating stats?  Just think about Bernie Sanders and his 0.1% owning most of the wealth and how often he has mentioned that, and everything should fall into place.  Like I've said, your point was just that "Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates".  I had to point out that the stats aren't the sort that need updating, and you've had to switch tack so saying it's not about laziness, it's about active self-publicising and electioneering.  Who'd have thought that a politician would do such things?  

Basically, pick your principles and apply them consistently.  I know, it's hard.  If you find that actually all politicians are doing the things you're whining about, then you need a different yardstick.

I'm touched you care about my admiration, but content yourself that I put you and Trump in the same boat;  Not very experienced, completely biased, and lacking awareness of the consequences of their actions. 

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This is downright bizarre.  How do you still not understand this?  

I came up with the term 'organisational response', but in short I meant the practical, logistical, organisational response to a situation.  The government can, has, and does organise things without communicating anything at all to the general public.  Telling people, while important, is something different and something less critical than the actual work on the ground.  I honestly can't simplify this any further.  They are separate actions, and one is more important than the other, so should be the priority.  Get it yet?

""A bad weather forecast isn't the same as bad weather." Well it sorta is if you think about it". 
It really isn't.  Whether the forecast gets it wrong, right, or doesn't say anything at all, doesn't actually affect the weather.  Just like whether the daily update is wrong, right, or doesn't say anything, doesn't actually affect how much PPE has been ordered.

Are you kidding?  You ask me to be accurate when you've said "You think I work for CNN"?  Did you scroll up for that?  Funny stuff. 
"Trump supporters close enough to the edge may jump ship..."  Are Trump supporters "close enough to the edge" still Trump supporters?  Then my point still stands - "Trump supporters are (emotionally invested) too.  You pointing out these weak criticisms while remaining silent on the things that matter will not convert them, and the swing voters won't be swayed either."  Which part of that do you think is wrong?  Wooly smear campaigns of no substance don't "impress any swing voter who is looking for the deciding evidence" either.  

Still not figured out about politicians repeating stats?  Just think about Bernie Sanders and his 0.1% owning most of the wealth and how often he has mentioned that, and everything should fall into place.  Like I've said, your point was just that "Trump is a lazy fvck who can't even be bothered to update his daily updates".  I had to point out that the stats aren't the sort that need updating, and you've had to switch tack so saying it's not about laziness, it's about active self-publicising and electioneering.  Who'd have thought that a politician would do such things?  

Basically, pick your principles and apply them consistently.  I know, it's hard.  If you find that actually all politicians are doing the things you're whining about, then you need a different yardstick.

I'm touched you care about my admiration, but content yourself that I put you and Trump in the same boat;  Not very experienced, completely biased, and lacking awareness of the consequences of their actions. 

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Guest: Just Sayin' (34 days ago)

A lazy Trump is a good Trump. The less he does, the less he fvcks up.

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A lazy Trump is a good Trump. The less he does, the less he fvcks up.

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AxiomOfChoice AxiomOfChoice (36 days ago)

The president only tells americans news about a deadly pandemic that will improve his election ratings? I thought trump was a psychopath, apparently his entire administration is psychopathic.

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The president only tells americans news about a deadly pandemic that will improve his election ratings? I thought trump was a psychopath, apparently his entire administration is psychopathic.

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